MMRCA - FX Indiano

[PRick]

Cm, hj eh um dia triste no Db. Aconselho te a seguir o apontado pela moderacao. Hj, perdi 03 bons amigos aqui ...

Realmente...... muito triste!!!....meu sentimento é mesmo.

[Penguin]

MBDA bags Euro 950 million missile deal for Indian Mirage 2000 upgrade

Wed, Jan 4, 2012 13:31 CET
http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defensen ... 428&h=MBDA

India will procure 500 air-to-air missiles from French firm MBDA for IAF's Mirage 2000 aircraft fleet which are being upgraded by Dassault-Thales. The missiles are worth Euro 950 million, nearly three fourths as much as what the aircraft upgrade will cost.

A Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) meeting chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh cleared the procurement of 490 MICA missiles, agency reports said quoting Indian Defence Ministry sources in New Delhi.

The missiles would be deployed on the 51 Mirage 2000 aircraft, which are already undergoing upgrades at French facilities under a Euro 1.47 billion deal signed earlier this year.

Under the deal, MBDA will have to do offsets worth 30 per cent of the deal meaning that they will have to invest 315 million Euros back in the Indian defence sector.

MBDA already has a tie up with Indian government owned missile manufacturer, Bharat Dynamics Limited as the offsets will most likely be executed through this venture.

[Penguin]

TUESDAY, JANUARY 10, 2012

Eurofighter Lowest Bidder In Indian MMRCA Bid, Sources Tell Newspaper

I'd been wary all weekend about posting about a strong rumour that's been doing the rounds for the last five days or so, but now a mainsteam Indian business newspaper has a piece leading with precisely that: there's word that the Eurofighter Typhoon has been identified as the lowest bidder (L1) in India's monumental $20-billion medium multirole combat aircraft (M-MRCA) competition.

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2012/01/eu ... ndian.html

[Penguin]

Posted: Mon, Jan 9 2012. 10:50 PM IST
http://www.livemint.com/2012/01/0922504 ... or-fi.html

Govt to soon close deal for fighter jets
The two remaining contenders in the deal are likely to be called by the defence ministry on Thursday
Aman Malik

New Delhi: The Eurofighter Typhoon may have emerged as the lowest bidder (L1) in the multi-billion dollar deal to procure 126 fighter jets for the Indian Air Force (IAF), according to people familiar with the matter.

Mint could not independently verify this.

The two remaining contenders in the deal are likely to be called by the defence ministry on Thursday, these people said on condition of anonymity.

The Eurofighter Typhoon is promoted by European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., or EADS. The other contender vying for the L1 slot is the Rafale, promoted by Dassault SA.

Sitanshu Kar, the defence ministry’s spokesperson, declined to comment.

Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN Super Viper, both from the US and initially seen to be among the frontrunners, Russia’s Mikoyan MiG-35 and Sweden’s Saab JAS 39 Gripen were the other contenders.

The defence ministry short-listed the Eurofighter and the Rafale after extensive field trials. The shortlist was announced on 29 April. The deal is potentially worth $10 billion, which would make it the single largest defence deal India has ever struck.

[NovaTO]

TUESDAY, JANUARY 10, 2012

Eurofighter Lowest Bidder In Indian MMRCA Bid, Sources Tell Newspaper

I'd been wary all weekend about posting about a strong rumour that's been doing the rounds for the last five days or so, but now a mainsteam Indian business newspaper has a piece leading with precisely that: there's word that the Eurofighter Typhoon has been identified as the lowest bidder (L1) in India's monumental $20-billion medium multirole combat aircraft (M-MRCA) competition.

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2012/01/eu ... ndian.html

O fim está próximo....

[vplemes]

Amigos, se esta informação se confirmar a jaca (ops! vaca) foi pro brejo para a Dassault.

[PRick]

Amigos, se esta informação se confirmar a jaca (ops! vaca) foi pro brejo para a Dassault.

Essa informação não é verdadeira, e sabemos disso por informações de outras concorrências, porém, vou repetir não será o preço que definirá a vencedor, é uma escolha subjetiva.

[]´s

[NovaTO]

Segundo os "rumores"

Rafale tem um custo operacional menor, mas custo de componentes de reposição maior (que novidade )

Typhoon : Maior ToTs, Custos de armamento Menor (que novidade de novo )

OffSets: Se tornará mais um parceiro no consórcio Eurofighter(o 5º) fornecendo componentes de reposição para os demais parceiros e clientes fora do consórcio. (Este é tipo de oferta eu gostaria de ler na proposta do Rafale para o Brasil, por exemplo, fornecendo as asas para todos os Rafales que fossem fabricados tanto aqui como na França) .

[]'s

[PRick]

Segundo os "rumores"

Rafale tem um custo operacional menor, mas custo de componentes de reposição maior (que novidade )

Typhoon : Maior ToTs, Custos de armamento Menor (que novidade de novo )

OffSets: Se tornará mais um parceiro no consórcio Eurofighter(o 5º) fornecendo componentes de reposição para os demais parceiros e clientes fora do consórcio. (Este é tipo de oferta eu gostaria de ler na proposta do Rafale para o Brasil, por exemplo, fornecendo as asas para todos os Rafales que fossem fabricados tanto aqui como na França) .

[]'s

O problema é quem repassa esses boatos ou cria eles, não costuma pensar muito. Um pouco acima, tem uma notícia da Índia comprando um lote enorme de mísseis MICA para os M-2000 modernizados, o mesmo míssil usado pelo Rafale hoje.

O Rafale pode usar bombas guiadas do mesmo tipo do Typhoon, dos EUA.

O míssil ar-ar novo de longo alcance METEOR é o mesmo para os dois caças, então o preço deve ser o mesmo. Só se mudar de acordo com o boateiro de plantão.

Por sinal, o míssil BRV padrão hoje do Typhoon é dos EUA, portanto, não pode ser garantido o fornecimento dele por quem não fabrica.

O Rafale pode usar ainda o míssil AR-MAR Am-39, coisa que o Typhoon não tem nada integrado.

Além disso possui a melhor bomba guiada do mercado, essa é mais cara, porém, a única hoje que atinge qualquer tipo de alvo a AASM.

Os dados de custos e manutenção vindos da Europa também deixam bem claro qual é o caça mais caro de comprar e manter.

A decisão agora, não vai se dar por motivos técnicos, e nem de custos, mas por motivos extra plataforma, a fase anterior esses fatores eram importantes, na atual fala mais alto outros fatores.

[]´s

[Grifon]

No India jet fighter deal before end March: minister

(Reuters) - India will not sign a multi-billion dollar contract to buy European fighter jets before the fiscal year ends in March, the defense minister said on Tuesday, about a deal to revamp ageing weapons in line with the country's rising global influence.

"Not this financial year," Defence Minister A.K. Antony told Reuters in reply to a question about when the deal that has been in the works since 2007 would be signed.

However, India will "soon" announce the lowest bidder for the tender for 126 jets worth up to $15 billion, two government sources with knowledge of the deal told Reuters.

One of the sources said France's Rafale jet was the likely winner, adding that the defense ministry was now considering buying another 80 or so jets and could invite bidders excluded from the current process to take part.

Already Asia's third-largest economy and growing fast, India has emerged as the world's leading importer of weapons as it jostles with China for influence and reach on the world stage.

Dassault's (AVMD.PA) Rafale is competing with the Typhoon fighter made by four-nation consortium Eurofighter in what is currently one of the largest global weapons tenders.

"It is a long process. The file has not come to my table," Antony said, adding that the finance ministry and a cabinet panel headed by the prime minister have to look at the agreement after he signs off.

The Eurofighter Typhoon is built by the German and Spanish branches of EADS (EAD.PA), Britain's BAE Systems (BAES.L) and Italy's Finmeccanica (SIFI.MI). Dassault is French.

American, Russian and Swedish bids were rejected in April.

The U.S. company Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) has kept alive hopes of selling its F-35 Joint Strike Fighter to India.

One defense ministry source with knowledge of the negotiations said the life-time cost of the tender including training and maintenance may reach $15 billion.

Previous estimates put the cost around $11 billion.

The defense ministry source said each Rafale was $4 million to $5 million cheaper than its rival and the plane was preferred by the Air Force.

"Unit-wise, the French plane is much cheaper than the Eurofighter. Moreover, the Indian Airforce, which is well-equipped with French fighters, is favoring the French fighter," said the source, who asked not be named.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/ ... A820120131

[Wolfgang]

Mas de qualquer modo, se não der Rafale na Índia, acredito que devamos esquecê-lo por aqui.

[Grifon]

Parece que o Rafale ganhou o MMRCA.

India Chooses The Rafale

The Indian government has declared the Dassault Rafale the lowest bidder in the Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (M-MRCA) competition. A final contract will be signed following negotiations by March this year. When the deal is signed, it will be Dassault's first export contract for the Rafale. The Rafale pips the Eurofighter Typhoon for what is by far India's largest aerospace contract.

Not to crow or anything, but I happen to be the only Indian journalist who has flown in the Rafale. Here's my account of that amazing ride.

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2012/01/in ... afale.html

[Bravo]

Rafale wins MMRCA

The French Dassault fighter aircraft Rafale has been selected to be the Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) of the Indian Air Force (IAF).

Dassault beat the four-nation consortium’s Eurofighter on price, with the fighter being identified as L1, or the lowest technically qualified bid.

StratPost understands that Dassault has been issued a letter from the Ministry of Defense, communicating their selection.

Three representatives of the Eurofighter consortium were also summoned to the Ministry of Defense at South Block on Tuesday afternoon, when they were informed of their loss in the competition.

The bid was originally estimated to be worth USD 10.4 billion, as per the budget estimate approved in 2007, but it is likely to have faced a substantial escalation in cost, keeping in mind inflation and the fall in the value of the Indian Rupee.

More later.

Fonte: http://www.stratpost.com/rafale-wins-mmrca

[brisa]

Ganhou o melhor

[Wolfgang]

Se for verdade, aí sim o Rafale ganha força aqui...