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#16 Mensagem por Rui Elias Maltez » Qua Fev 07, 2007 2:24 pm

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Então, segundo a Marinha eles serão modernizados assim que recebermos as M, certo?!


Embora seja uma as aspirações da Armada, não está calendarizada nenhuma modernização profunda das 3 VdG, nem se sabe até onde irá essa modernização, ou mesmo se virá a ser feita.

Para já, o único facto é que se está a proceder à modernização dos Phalanx.




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#18 Mensagem por old » Sex Mar 02, 2007 8:48 am

Australia reconsidera sus opciones para dotarse de 3 AWD.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 77,00.html

Se piensan si construir 3 Burkes o 3 F100s. Las ventajas de estas ultimas son su precio mas barato y su plazo de entrega. Por contra un el Burke es mas potente que la F100 y es el diseño preferido por la marina australiana

Siempre a tenido mas posibilidades los Burke, pero la decision final esta aun por tomar. Saludos




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#19 Mensagem por P44 » Ter Mar 06, 2007 7:48 am

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 02,00.html

Spain leads for $7bn navy contract

* Patrick Walters, National security editor
* March 01, 2007

SPAIN is poised to win the contest to design the navy's new air warfare destroyers, destined to be the biggest and most advanced warships in its fleet.
As the race to win the contract to design the three vessels enters its final weeks, state-owned Spanish naval builder Navantia is heading its US rival on price and delivery time.

The $7 billion program will be Australia's second-biggest defence project in the coming decade, after the $14 billion joint strike fighter for the air force.

Long regarded as simply a stalking horse for a new warship designed by US firm Gibbs and Cox based on the US Navy's Arleigh Burke class destroyers, Spain's modified F100 warship is now an even-money bet to win the contract.

The Spanish ship is much cheaper and would be delivered about two years earlier than the US design submitted by Gibbs and Cox.

Gibbs and Cox has been the Howard Government's preferred designer for the air warfare destroyers, but the firm's bigger and more capable warship exists only in its preliminary design phase.

And final target cost estimates due to be handed to the Defence Department tomorrow are expected to put the Spanish F100 warship ahead on price by more than $500 million, according to government and industry sources.

The Government has committed $450 million to the project's start-up, with the cabinet due to take the final decision on the winning design in July.

In August 2005, the Government announced that the Gibbs and Cox "evolved design" would compete with an "Australianised" version of the F100 for the right to be chosen as the navy's new frontline warship.

The new ships will be equipped with the US-made Aegis combat system, giving them the ability to track hostile aircraft and missiles at ranges beyond 150km.

Adelaide-based shipbuilder ASC has already been chosen to construct the vessels, while Raytheon will be the systems integrator, as part of a novel alliance with partners ASC and the Defence Materiel Organisation.

Spain's belated recognition that its F100 could be selected has resulted in a last-minute lobbying push by the Spanish Government.

The Spanish F100 air warfare destroyer Alvaro de Bazan arrives in Perth today at the start of a three-week visit designed to highlights the ship's advanced capabilities. Spain is also sending its naval chief and senior government officials to Australia this month in an effort to clinch the AWD contract.

The design offered by Gibbs and Cox is a more powerful warship than the Spanish F100 air warfare destroyer, and remains the navy's preferred choice.

Gibbs and Cox believes the heavily modified Arleigh Burke offers better all-round combat capability and better growth options for future technology upgrades than the F100.

But with four F100s already in service with the Spanish navy, Navantia argues that its destroyer offers a low-risk and highly capable solution for the Royal Australian Navy.

The first of the navy's new frontline destroyers is scheduled to be delivered in 2013, but the US design is not likely to be in service before 2015.




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#20 Mensagem por P44 » Qui Mar 08, 2007 11:36 am

ASC Welcomes Spanish F100 Air Warfare Destroyer


(Source: ASC Shipbuilding; issued March 7, 2007)




Close on two years after winning the role of shipbuilder for the Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) Program, ASC had the opportunity to welcome to Adelaide one of the ships it could be building.

As the Spanish-designed F100 docked at Outer Harbor, South Australia, this morning, it was greeted by a team of ASC designers and engineers eager to see the ship in local waters.

The visit follows extensive evaluation activities undertaken by ASC, along with its AWD Alliance partners, in Navantia’s shipyard at Ferrol, Spain.

Navantia’s F100 ‘Existing’ option is in competition with US-firm Gibbs & Cox’ ‘Evolved’ option for selection as Australia’s AWD design, to be later constructed by ASC at its Osborne, South Australia, facility.

According to John Gallacher, Chief Executive Officer of ASC Shipbuilding, viewing the F100 gives one an appreciation of its awesome capability and the magnitude of the construction task at hand.

“We welcome the visiting F100, and congratulate the Spanish Armada on circumnavigating the globe for the first time in 142 years,” said Mr Gallacher.

“The visit has given our personnel, who haven’t visited Navantia’s Spanish shipyard, a valuable opportunity to truly appreciate the size, scope and complexity of the mammoth shipbuilding task we have ahead.”

Over 50 ASC personnel, who will be involved in the construction of Australia’s AWDs, will be touring the visiting F100 while it’s docked in Adelaide.

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#21 Mensagem por ferrol » Qui Mar 08, 2007 1:14 pm

P44 escreveu:“The visit has given our personnel, who haven’t visited Navantia’s Spanish shipyard, a valuable opportunity to truly appreciate the size, scope and complexity of the mammoth shipbuilding task we have ahead.”
Efectivamente, construir unha fragata deste tipo leva por diante unha inmensa tarefa de deseño e construcción...¿serán capaces os australianos de abranguer toda esa operacion de construcción naval? :?:




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#22 Mensagem por P44 » Qui Mar 08, 2007 2:35 pm

ferrol escreveu:
P44 escreveu:“The visit has given our personnel, who haven’t visited Navantia’s Spanish shipyard, a valuable opportunity to truly appreciate the size, scope and complexity of the mammoth shipbuilding task we have ahead.”
Efectivamente, construir unha fragata deste tipo leva por diante unha inmensa tarefa de deseño e construcción...¿serán capaces os australianos de abranguer toda esa operacion de construcción naval? :?:


Ferrol,

Que te parece?

Achas que a Navantia está bem lançada pra ficar com este projecto?

:wink: Saludos




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#23 Mensagem por ferrol » Qui Mar 08, 2007 4:33 pm

P44 escreveu:Ferrol,

Que te parece?

Achas que a Navantia está bem lançada pra ficar com este projecto?
Hola P44:
Sobre isto, quizáis os propios australianos poidan dicir algo:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21304930-31477,00.html
Spain leads for $7bn navy contract
Patrick Walters, National security editor
March 01, 2007

SPAIN is poised to win the contest to design the navy's new air warfare destroyers, destined to be the biggest and most advanced warships in its fleet.
As the race to win the contract to design the three vessels enters its final weeks, state-owned Spanish naval builder Navantia is heading its US rival on price and delivery time.
The $7 billion program will be Australia's second-biggest defence project in the coming decade, after the $14 billion joint strike fighter for the air force.

Long regarded as simply a stalking horse for a new warship designed by US firm Gibbs and Cox based on the US Navy's Arleigh Burke class destroyers, Spain's modified F100 warship is now an even-money bet to win the contract.

The Spanish ship is much cheaper and would be delivered about two years earlier than the US design submitted by Gibbs and Cox.

Gibbs and Cox has been the Howard Government's preferred designer for the air warfare destroyers, but the firm's bigger and more capable warship exists only in its preliminary design phase.

And final target cost estimates due to be handed to the Defence Department tomorrow are expected to put the Spanish F100 warship ahead on price by more than $500 million, according to government and industry sources.

The Government has committed $450 million to the project's start-up, with the cabinet due to take the final decision on the winning design in July.

In August 2005, the Government announced that the Gibbs and Cox "evolved design" would compete with an "Australianised" version of the F100 for the right to be chosen as the navy's new frontline warship.

The new ships will be equipped with the US-made Aegis combat system, giving them the ability to track hostile aircraft and missiles at ranges beyond 150km.

Adelaide-based shipbuilder ASC has already been chosen to construct the vessels, while Raytheon will be the systems integrator, as part of a novel alliance with partners ASC and the Defence Materiel Organisation.

Spain's belated recognition that its F100 could be selected has resulted in a last-minute lobbying push by the Spanish Government.

The Spanish F100 air warfare destroyer Alvaro de Bazan arrives in Perth today at the start of a three-week visit designed to highlights the ship's advanced capabilities. Spain is also sending its naval chief and senior government officials to Australia this month in an effort to clinch the AWD contract.

The design offered by Gibbs and Cox is a more powerful warship than the Spanish F100 air warfare destroyer, and remains the navy's preferred choice.

Gibbs and Cox believes the heavily modified Arleigh Burke offers better all-round combat capability and better growth options for future technology upgrades than the F100.

But with four F100s already in service with the Spanish navy, Navantia argues that its destroyer offers a low-risk and highly capable solution for the Royal Australian Navy.

The first of the navy's new frontline destroyers is scheduled to be delivered in 2013, but the US design is not likely to be in service before 2015.

En resumen, os políticos prefiren as F-100, porque xa están flotando e as modificacións necesarias para poñelas ó gusto australiano son menores que as necesarias para modificar un Burke e adaptalo á Armada Australiana. Pero o goberno australiano é moi cercano ó americano, e España non se leva moi ben cos americanos...e a propia Armada australiana prefire os Burke, máis grandes, máis capaces...

O deseño previo llo encargaron á Gibbs&Coxx, para evoluciona-lo Burke, así que, en principio eles levan a avantaxe...

De tódolos xeitos, que Navantia chegase deica aquí, por diante dos alemáns e falando de igual a igual á Gibss&Coxx ou á DCN, é unha cousa deica hai ben pouco incrible para a Navantia. Así que eu, como ferrolán que vexo tódolos días o asteleiro e coñezo traballadores alí, estou contento de que xa se fale de nós na outra punta do mundo...gañe ou perda, eu xa case me dou por satisfeito. Ademáis, o negocio sería só para o deseño, non para á construcción, que será local...nós en Ferrol non veriamos o metal, só o papel dos deseños...ou sexa, medio negocio, nada máis.

Pero en fin, algo é algo...supoño que se gañaría en prestixio internacional e algúns nos foros quedarían a ve-las pinturas oxidarse no Pacífico... :roll:

É só a miña opinión...




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#24 Mensagem por Sintra » Qui Mar 08, 2007 5:26 pm

ferrol escreveu:Pero en fin, algo é algo...supoño que se gañaría en prestixio internacional e algúns nos foros quedarían a ve-las pinturas oxidarse no Pacífico... :roll:

É só a miña opinión...


:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Mas agora os Noruegueses vendem tintas para a Australia?




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#25 Mensagem por P44 » Sex Abr 27, 2007 9:40 am

Australia Closer to Picking F-100 for AWD


(Source: Forecast International; issued April 26, 2007)

CANBERRA --- As long predicted by Forecast International, the Spanish F100 air warfare destroyer will be selected as the winning design for Australia's AUD7 billion Air Warfare Destroyer. The Defence Capability and Investment Committee - the Defence Department's top policy advisory committee - met last week and endorsed the F100 design offered by Spanish government shipbuilder Navantia. In doing so they emphatically rejected the case for a larger alternative based on the U.S. Arleigh Burke class destroyer.

The key considerations behind the decision were that the F100 build was more than AUD1billion less expensive than the U.S. option and more than two years ahead on the delivery schedule for three warships. The tender evaluation of the two bids submitted by Navantia and Gibbs and Cox had found conclusively in favor of the Spanish on all the key criteria.

Although supporters of the Gibbs and Cox-designed DDG-51 derivative promoted the greater weapons carrying capacity of their design, including 64 rather than 48 vertical launch tubes and two rather than one helicopters, the advantages of the F100 were so strong that a debate between supporters of the two designs was a complete wipeout according to one senior Australian defense source.

The financial benefits resulting from the selection of the F100 are so great that they will go a long way towards funding (some estimates are that they will almost completely accommodate) a fourth Air Warfare Destroyer. The Australian Cabinet's National Security Committee will consider an option to buy a fourth F100 destroyer when it makes a final decision on a go-ahead for the project in June.

Common wisdom has often suggested that the Navantia bid was simply a stalking horse for Gibbs and Cox, which the Government selected in 2005 as its preferred designer. According to this interpretation, Navantia has come from behind six months ago to win the backing of Defence chiefs. Forecast International has never agreed with this perception since the information we were receiving from Australia from the start of the project was consistently that the F100 was the preferred candidate and that the Gibbs and Cox design was a back-up in case the F100 class hit serious problems on its trials. This did not happen, the Alvaro de Bazan proved to be a great success and this eliminated the DDG-51 derivatives last hope of winning this contract.

It may well be that the appointment of Gibbs and Cox as preferred designer in 2005 was not a sign of preference for their design but the group's last chance to make its case.

A key handicap for Gibbs and Cox was that its proposed warship existed only in its preliminary design phase, increasing the technical risk for a local builder. Australia's experiences with new and untried designs has been disappointing with the Collins Class submarines a stark example of everything that can go wrong. The F100 is not the final winner in this competition yet, but the chances of the National Security Committee's decision being overturned are not high.

The air warfare destroyers are due to enter service from 2013, and will be the biggest and most advanced warships in the RAN.

The AUD7 billion program will be Australia's second-biggest defense project in the coming decade, after the AUD14billion joint strike fighter for the air force.

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#26 Mensagem por old » Sáb Abr 28, 2007 7:30 am

Otro de los grandres programas de la Armada de Australia. Presupuestado en 436 mill de $

Uno de los dos barcos finalistas es un LHD ofrecido por Navantia y similar a otro ya en construccion. La principa diferencia reside en que el primero sera utilizado como portaaviones para los JSF Vstol. Quitando ese detalle, seran identicos

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#27 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Sáb Abr 28, 2007 8:00 am

Que belo navio! Lindissimo!!! :shock: :wink:




"Lá nos confins da Península Ibérica, existe um povo que não governa nem se deixa governar ”, Caio Júlio César, líder Militar Romano".

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#28 Mensagem por Raul Neto » Sáb Abr 28, 2007 8:27 am

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#29 Mensagem por Einsamkeit » Sáb Abr 28, 2007 12:00 pm

Quero só ver o BPE e o Principe com F-35B

Alguns tugas vao a suicidio :lol: :lol: :lol:




Somos memórias de lobos que rasgam a pele
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#30 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Sáb Abr 28, 2007 12:20 pm

Einsamkeit escreveu:Quero só ver o BPE e o Principe com F-35B

Alguns tugas vao a suicidio :lol: :lol: :lol:


Eins...nós tb vamos usar este navios, para isso é que serve pertencer ao mesmo Battle Group. :wink:


PS: sim, alguns Portugueses ou vão se passar, ou então vão dizer que estes navios são una mie%&! :twisted: :wink:




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