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Boeing Dreamliner 787

#1 Mensagem por soultrain » Ter Dez 09, 2008 8:44 am

Airbus Dossier Dishes Dirt on Boeing's 787 Program

By Dave Demerjian December 03, 2008 | 7:58:03 PMCategories: Business

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European aviation giant Airbus has compiled a surprisingly comprehensive dossier detailing every aspect of arch-rival Boeing's work on the 787 Dreamliner, using information gleaned from Boeing's own suppliers and proprietary documentation to assemble a sweeping critique of the ambitious but troubled aircraft.

The 46-page document titled Boeing 787 Lessons Learnt broadly examines the aircraft's development, including its many design, certification and production issues, to a degree rarely seen. It raises questions about Airbus' industrial intelligence-gathering methods.

There's no question the document compiled by Burkhard Domke, head of engineering intelligence at Airbus, and presented internally on Oct. 20 digs deeply into Boeing's development process. It examines nearly all parts of the 787 program, including the design of the aircraft's wings, fuselage and engines. It provides succinct summaries of the program's parts shortages, fastener issues, quality-control concerns and other production woes. Even seemingly mundane issues like the plane's in-flight entertainment system are chewed over.

Flightblogger broke the story Wednesday after writer Jon Ostrower, who has made a name for himself reporting on the inner workings of Boeing, obtained a copy of the report from a source he declined to identify. Ostrower told us shortly after posting the dossier (.pdf) that it is unprecedented in scope.

"To my knowledge, there has never been a comprehensive analysis of an airliner like this," he said. "It looks at every angle of the program, and analyzes it on a very granular level."

The breadth of the report is so impressive partly because Boeing is still developing the 787. How did Airbus get its hands on so much data about a plane relatively few have seen and no one has flown? Ostrower says Airbus obtained proprietary data and quizzed sources throughout Boeing's global-supply chain.

"One page explicitly cites Spirit Aerosystems, which makes the 787 nose, as the source of information about material laydown rates," Ostrower told us, adding that Spirit claims to have no idea how Airbus got its hands on the information. Ostrower is even more intrigued by what appear to be seven slides marked "Boeing Proprietary" and written in a format used in Boeing's internal presentations. "How did they get those?" he asks. "That's a big deal."

Boeing is keeping mum until it sees the Airbus dossier, Ostrower writes in his post, and Airbus told him the presentation and its intelligence-gathering methods are perfectly legal.

Ostrower says the Airbus report will force Boeing to take a hard look at the non-disclosure agreements it has with suppliers and examine the security of its information networks. But in the grand scheme of things, he says, the Airbus report is good news for Boeing.

"Sure, short term there are going to be some questions about how the information was obtained," he told us. "But take a look at the document. Nowhere does it say that the program isn't going to work or that the plane isn't going to fly. At the end of the day, the report is a vindication of the program."

You can read Ostrower's report here.

POST UPDATED 9:30 a.m. PST Dec. 4.





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Re: Boeing Dreamliner 787

#2 Mensagem por soultrain » Ter Dez 09, 2008 8:47 am

Como há noticias muito interessantes sobre o 787 e não encontrei um tópico especifico decidi iniciar um.

Esta ultima noticia é fantástica, pela quantidade de informação e por mostrar como funciona a industria.

A noticia original:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fligh ... er-do.html

O relatório interno da Airbus:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fligh ... learnt.pdf





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#3 Mensagem por soultrain » Ter Dez 09, 2008 4:32 pm

Cortaram o download do pdf e eu não gravei... :evil:

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#5 Mensagem por P44 » Sex Dez 12, 2008 11:35 am

Boeing Schedules 787 Dreamliner First Flight for Second Quarter 2009; First Delivery for First Quarter 2010


(Source: Boeing Co.; issued Dec. 11, 2008)



EVERETT, Wash. --- Boeing today announced an updated schedule for its all-new 787 Dreamliner program that moves the commercial jet's first flight into the second quarter of 2009 and first delivery into the first quarter of 2010.

The new schedule reflects the impact of disruption caused by the recent Machinists' strike along with the requirement to replace certain fasteners in early production airplanes.

"Our industry team has made progress with structural testing, systems hardware qualification, and production, but we must adjust our schedule for these two unexpected disruptions," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Scott Carson.

Prior to the strike that halted much of the company's commercial airplane work from early September into November, the 787 was to make its first flight late in the fourth quarter of 2008. First delivery was slated for the third quarter of 2009.

"We're laser focused on what needs to be done to prepare for first flight," said Pat Shanahan, 787 program vice president. "We will overcome this set of circumstances as we have others in the past, and we understand clearly what needs to be done moving forward."

Included in the preparations for first flight, Shanahan said, are finalizing and incorporating remaining engineering changes and completing systems testing, qualifications and certification.

Boeing is evaluating the specific impact of this delay on customer delivery dates and will provide customers with updated schedules once completed.

The company is also determining any financial impact from this schedule change and will incorporate that into updated financial and overall airplane delivery guidance that will be released at a later date. (ends)
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#6 Mensagem por WalterGaudério » Sáb Dez 13, 2008 11:38 pm

Primeira entrega para 2010 é dose... Deleyedliner já! :twisted: :twisted:




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#7 Mensagem por soultrain » Dom Mar 15, 2009 2:09 pm

DATE:09/03/09
SOURCE:Flight International
Concerns raised over expected 787 range shortfall
By Jon Ostrower


As Boeing presses towards a first flight in the second quarter, airline customers have begun to raise questions publicly about the 787s performance.
Aeromexico is a 787-8 customer and chief executive Andres Conesa told Flight International that the aircraft may fail to meet original performance specifications, including the ability to operate non-stop flights from Mexico City to Asia.
"The expectation was that aircraft could go all the way to Greece," says Conesa. "It has changed. Today we don't know the final conditions." The distance between Mexico City and Athens is roughly 13,000km (7,000nm).

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Early production aircraft are expected to be delivered overweight, prompting significant concern among airline customers. Boeing now advertises the range of the 787-8 as 14,150-15,170km, a reduction of roughly 560km from the 14,800-15,700km first touted.
Much of the expectations for range are purely analytical as the aircraft has yet to fly, although Boeing has instituted an aggressive weight reduction plan ahead of first flight to bring 787 performance back in line with customer expectations.
Delta Air Lines, which inherited an order for 18 787-8s from Northwest Airlines, announced that it had removed, but not cancelled, its order from delivery planning and was in negotiation with Boeing to revise those schedules. Of Delta's 18 orders, more than half would have come in the first 50 deliveries, including two of the six flight-test aircraft.
The airline cited schedules, not performance, as the reason for the change, although a source close to the airline says Delta was displeased with ramifications of weight gain on performance.





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#8 Mensagem por soultrain » Dom Mar 15, 2009 2:10 pm

DATE:14/03/09
SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence news
Shanghai casts doubt over early 787 delivery slots
By Jon Ostrower

Shanghai airlines is considering canceling part of its 787 order as Chinese airlines work to renegotiate with Boeing on their early delivery slots.
Shanghai Airlines Chairman Zhou Chi was quoted by Bloomberg news as saying the aircraft doesn't "fully meet the quality that Boeing touted earlier".
The comments were made at a shareholders meeting today where the company said that it may cancel the first of nine 787s it has on order or renegotiate the delivery date to late 2010 at the earliest.
An industry source close to the 787 programme tells ATI affiliate FlightBlogger that all the Chinese 787 customers are working to renegotiate delivery of their share of the first 20 production aircraft "officially for payload reasons".
Shanghai is expected to receive the 10th 787, the fourth production -8 aircraft. Of the first 20 787-8s built, which include the first six flight test aircraft, Chinese airlines are expected to receive half. The airline's second 787-8 would be the 50th built.
Boeing expects to introduce its second production blockpoint which includes a suite of weight reduction and performance enhancements beginning with airplane 21.
Boeing declined to comment specifically on its negotiations with Shanghai Airlines.
"We are working very closely with our 787 customers to understand their evolving fleet requirements," says a Boeing spokesperson. "But as a matter of long-standing practice, Boeing does not comment on its discussions with customers."
Shanghai Airlines, along with Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, Grand China Airlines and Xiamen Airlines were all part of a coalition of Chinese airlines that gave the 787 its name when it ordered 60 in January 2005.





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#9 Mensagem por P44 » Qua Jun 24, 2009 2:13 pm

Boeing Postpones 787 First Flight


(Source: Boeing Co.; issued June 23, 2009)

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The second of six Boeing 787s earmarked for the aircraft’s flight-test program, which has again been postponed, this time for at least several weeks. (Boeing photo)

EVERETT, Wash. --- Boeing today announced that first flight of the 787 Dreamliner will be postponed due to a need to reinforce an area within the side-of-body section of the aircraft.

The need was identified during the recent regularly scheduled tests on the full-scale static test airplane. Preliminary analysis indicated that flight test could proceed this month as planned. However, after further testing and consideration of possible modified flight test plans, the decision was made late last week that first flight should instead be postponed until productive flight testing could occur.

First flight and first delivery will be rescheduled following the final determination of the required modification and testing plan. It will be several weeks before the new schedule is available. The 787 team will continue with other aspects of testing on Airplane #1, including final gauntlet testing and low-speed taxiing. Work will also continue on the other five flight test aircraft and the subsequent aircraft in the production system.

Scott Carson, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes said a team of experts has already identified several potential solutions.

"Consideration was given to a temporary solution that would allow us to fly as scheduled, but we ultimately concluded that the right thing was to develop, design, test and incorporate a permanent modification to the localized area requiring reinforcement. Structural modifications like these are not uncommon in the development of new airplanes, and this is not an issue related to our choice of materials or the assembly and installation work of our team," Carson said.

Boeing's financial guidance will be updated to reflect any impact of these changes when the company issues its second quarter 2009 earnings report in July.

Boeing will hold a conference call with Carson, Pat Shanahan, vice president and general manager of Airplane Programs, and Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, to discuss the 787 program today at 10:00 a.m. EDT, 7:00 a.m., PDT.

A webcast of that call will be accessible (until June 29) at http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix


(EDITOR’S NOTE: During the conference call, it gradually emerged that Boeing has identified 36 spots, each measuring 1 or 2 square inches and spread all along the wing-fuselage join, that require reinforcement. This “is a complex area…with multiple materials…including titanium, aluminium and composites,” Boeing officials said.
The faulty parts were designed and produced by Boeing itself and by its Japanese partners, Fuji and Mitsubishi, and will require titanium or aluminium reinforcements.
Also, while Boeing officials said the issue is “one that can be readily resolved,” and does not prevent the aircraft from flying, they said it will take several weeks just to determine how much work is required, and then to set a new date for the first flight, which suggests things may not be as simple as claimed.)


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#10 Mensagem por P44 » Dom Jun 28, 2009 8:30 am

Qantas Announces Changes to B787 Orders


(Source: Qantas; issued June 26, 2009)



SYDNEY --- Qantas announced today it had reached mutual agreement with Boeing to defer the delivery of 15 B787-8 aircraft by four years and cancel orders for 15 B787-9s scheduled for delivery in 2014/2015.

Qantas Chief Executive Officer, Mr Alan Joyce, said the changes to the Group's B787 orders were appropriate in the current climate, and that discussions with Boeing, which commenced some months ago, had not been influenced by the announcement this week of a design issue and further delay to the aircraft's first flight.

"Qantas announced its original B787 order in December 2005, and the operating environment for the world's airlines has clearly changed dramatically since then," Mr Joyce said.

"The agreement we have reached with Boeing will provide greater certainty going forward in terms of our fleet renewal and growth strategies as well as broader resource planning and matching capacity with demand.

"It will also allow Qantas to manage capital investment more effectively while still delivering an aircraft that offers sound prospects for our flying businesses and our customers.

"For both Qantas and Jetstar, the B787 will provide for international capacity growth and new routes, including point-to-point destinations, and mean lower operating and maintenance costs, greater fuel efficiency and improved environmental performance.

"The latest delay is disappointing, but we do not expect it to impact the Qantas Group given these changes to our delivery program. We remain committed to the aircraft as the right choice - for Jetstar's future international expansion, Qantas' growth and as a replacement for Qantas' B767-300 fleet."

After the order changes, the Qantas Group will jointly remain the biggest airline customer for B787 family aircraft.

The changes will see (based on current Boeing planning guidance and may be subject to change):

-- Qantas Group firm orders reduce from 65 to 50 aircraft, comprising 35 B787-9s and 15 B787-8s;

-- the Group's first 15 aircraft - B787-9s for Jetstar's international operations - delivered from mid-2013, around three years later than planned. Jetstar was to take delivery of 15 smaller B787-8s in mid-2010;

--15 B787-8s follow over the 12 months from the fourth quarter of 2014 for Qantas' Australian domestic operations and to retire the remaining Qantas B767-300 fleet;

-- remaining deliveries, of 20 B787-9s for both Qantas and Jetstar international operations, take place from the fourth quarter of 2015 through to 2017; and

-- Qantas retain the ability to purchase up to 50 additional aircraft.

Mr Joyce said the cancellation of 15 B787-9s would reduce the Group's aircraft capital expenditure by US$3 billion based on current list prices.

"Delaying delivery, and reducing overall B787 capacity, is prudent, while still enabling Qantas and Jetstar to take advantage of growth opportunities and market demands, both domestically and internationally," he said.

Details of the contractual agreement with Boeing remain confidential, but the settlement is materially in line with that previously recognised.

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#11 Mensagem por P44 » Sex Ago 28, 2009 12:13 pm

Boeing Announces New 787 Schedule and Third-Quarter Charge


(Source: Boeing Co.; issued August 27, 2009)





Boeing now hopes the 787 will make its maiden flight by year-end, but many issues remain open in its revised schedule. (Boeing photo)
CHICAGO --- The Boeing Company today announced that the first flight of the 787 Dreamliner is expected by the end of 2009 and first delivery is expected to occur in the fourth quarter of 2010.

The new schedule reflects the previously announced need to reinforce an area within the side-of-body section of the aircraft, along with the addition of several weeks of schedule margin to reduce flight test and certification risk. The company projects achieving a production rate of 10 airplanes per month in late 2013.

"This new schedule provides us the time needed to complete the remaining work necessary to put the 787's game-changing capability in the hands of our customers," said Boeing Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer Jim McNerney. "The design details and implementation plan are nearly complete, and the team is preparing airplanes for modification and testing."

Based on the revised schedule and other assumption updates, the company has determined that the 787 program is not in a forward-loss position.

However, separate from the updated program profitability assessment, the company has concluded that the initial flight-test airplanes have no commercial market value beyond the development effort due to the inordinate amount of rework and unique and extensive modifications made to those aircraft. Therefore, costs previously recorded for the first three flight-test airplanes will be reclassified from program inventory to research and development expense, resulting in an estimated non-cash charge of $2.5 billion pre-tax, or $2.21 per share, against third-quarter results. This charge will have no impact on the company's cash outlook going forward.

The 787 team working the side-of-body reinforcement has completed initial testing and is finalizing design details of new fittings that are expected to ensure full structural integrity of the joint. The static test procedure that uncovered the issue will be repeated and the results fully analyzed before first flight is conducted. Fatigue testing also will be performed on stringer components to validate the long-term durability of the modification.

The first 787 test airplane and static test unit have been prepared for the new fittings. Installation is expected to begin within the next few weeks.


(EDITOR’S NOTE: This latest delay means that initial deliveries of the 787 will take place two and a half years later than initially planned.
More worrying, the decision to write off three flight test aircraft – and its $2.5 billion price tag -- seems excessive compared to what Boeing has said is wrong with them, implying that other surprises may be in the offing. The suspicion that the company has not come clean will not disappear.)

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#12 Mensagem por WalterGaudério » Sex Ago 28, 2009 10:33 pm

P44 escreveu:Boeing Announces New 787 Schedule and Third-Quarter Charge


(Source: Boeing Co.; issued August 27, 2009)





Boeing now hopes the 787 will make its maiden flight by year-end, but many issues remain open in its revised schedule. (Boeing photo)
CHICAGO --- The Boeing Company today announced that the first flight of the 787 Dreamliner is expected by the end of 2009 and first delivery is expected to occur in the fourth quarter of 2010.

The new schedule reflects the previously announced need to reinforce an area within the side-of-body section of the aircraft, along with the addition of several weeks of schedule margin to reduce flight test and certification risk. The company projects achieving a production rate of 10 airplanes per month in late 2013.

"This new schedule provides us the time needed to complete the remaining work necessary to put the 787's game-changing capability in the hands of our customers," said Boeing Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer Jim McNerney. "The design details and implementation plan are nearly complete, and the team is preparing airplanes for modification and testing."

Based on the revised schedule and other assumption updates, the company has determined that the 787 program is not in a forward-loss position.

However, separate from the updated program profitability assessment, the company has concluded that the initial flight-test airplanes have no commercial market value beyond the development effort due to the inordinate amount of rework and unique and extensive modifications made to those aircraft. Therefore, costs previously recorded for the first three flight-test airplanes will be reclassified from program inventory to research and development expense, resulting in an estimated non-cash charge of $2.5 billion pre-tax, or $2.21 per share, against third-quarter results. This charge will have no impact on the company's cash outlook going forward.

The 787 team working the side-of-body reinforcement has completed initial testing and is finalizing design details of new fittings that are expected to ensure full structural integrity of the joint. The static test procedure that uncovered the issue will be repeated and the results fully analyzed before first flight is conducted. Fatigue testing also will be performed on stringer components to validate the long-term durability of the modification.

The first 787 test airplane and static test unit have been prepared for the new fittings. Installation is expected to begin within the next few weeks.


(EDITOR’S NOTE: This latest delay means that initial deliveries of the 787 will take place two and a half years later than initially planned.
More worrying, the decision to write off three flight test aircraft – and its $2.5 billion price tag -- seems excessive compared to what Boeing has said is wrong with them, implying that other surprises may be in the offing. The suspicion that the company has not come clean will not disappear.)

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